@Shey’bu: I know your true species, and it’s not Na’vi. It’s a very common and disgusting creature known as a “Hypocrite”.

Not inherently, but I’ll be damned if you’re an accurate posterboy/girl for the species. If you wanna go off in la-la land and pretend that you’re not human on the ~*~inside~*~, at least do it ACCURATELY.

Lovejoy said on January 10th, 2010 @6:10 pm  

@crusadercat
Believing everything (read: anything) you hear on lulz/furi is a really stupid idea.

@Crusadercat
Say it with me now, folks! “Buuuutthurrrrrt”. gtfo catfucker.

Shey'bu [Tirea Na'vi] said on January 11th, 2010 @6:53 pm  

To Kohaku,

I feel that you are not in any position, being non-Na’vi, to judge whether I am or am not an accurate “posterchild” (I prefer the term “representative” or “delegate”, I would ask you to respect this). Since you have not encountered any Na’vi in the course of your life you do not know what we as a species are like.

Respectfully,
– Shey’bu.

Note: Your sparkly punctuation is not appreciated.

buni said on January 12th, 2010 @11:42 am  

I suppose my question is, what does it matter if someone spiritually identifies with the Na’vi?

What distinguishes a person who claims to have the soul of a dragon, gryphon, or wendigo; and a person who claims to have the soul of a Wookiee, Na’vi, Lorax, or Quozl? Both groups belong to the mythical and the fictional. We happen to know the origin story of one myth, but that in no way means that it’s any less valid for that fact. We know the origin of the Mormon and Islamic religions, too, but that doesn’t stop us from considering them legitimate forms of faith. In two hundred years, society may even be calling Scientology a valid faith, if it doesn’t get itself wiped out in the process.

What matters is spirituality is whether it speaks to something within the person who believes it. If it fills a void, if it inspires the heart, if it motivates the hand or the eye… then it’s doing some amount of good. That we know where these stories come from doesn’t make them any less powerful. Who cares if somebody wants to say “I believe I have the soul of a fictional being”? Is it any less absurd than believing that an omnipotent sky-father impregnated a woman and then let his mortal son die physically to cleanse the earth of moral wrongdoing?

None of this, of course, should be construed as a legitimate reason to be a douche about one’s beliefs. Nevertheless, I find it hard to criticize the newcomer Na’vi for their adopted home, and I hope that their faith motivate them to make Earth a little more like Pandora.

Yeah! James Cameron!
Thank you sir! Now people think that you have given them some sort of holy visitation! You and Your movies.

Well You know what I think? I’m have the spirit of the guy from the Titanic within me. Yup! You can call me Jack, and, by all means, you have the floating door.

HD said on January 14th, 2010 @7:31 pm  

It’s just sad.

Otherkin who feel that they have the spirit of a wolf or a tree or whatever, I can understand.

But… guys. This shit is fictional. It’s made up by some guy. Why do we claim you’re sadly delusional? Because in order for you to really be Na’vi on the inside, they would have had to come before you (and be real, but let’s not split hairs).

It’s the same reason why people who believe in the Force as a religion, but only in the way that it “makes sense” and “could be close to the truth” are believable, but people who follow it simply because it seems cool and was in a movie, are not.

The shit ain’t real. That is why it’s sad.
I’m all for people who feel more complete and happy by immersing themselves in a fantasy world, but for god’s sake, don’t expect anyone to respect you for trying to actually make people believe that you really truly are connected to a fictional race of people that a filmmaker made up.

Like Kohaku said, the sad part is that if the Na’vi had looked like the aliens from District 9, 90% of these people would have just gone on feeling lonely until the next sexy fictional race came along.

No, it’s because you’re retarded.

Okay, on this whole mess… If you believe you are a Na’vi, then answer me this:

How does it feel to know that your god has rejected you so and cast your soul away to a planet light years away? Because when an animal or person dies on Pandora, your spirit goes to Eywa and you continue to serve the people through the natural connection to the world itself. Through this, the Na’vi are able to take in the collective wisdom of all their ancestors.

So what the hell did you DO to make your own deity hate you so much that she would throw your spirit off into space?

WOW, I just gotta say WOW. I’ve always said “To each their own”, but WOW. It took years for Trekkies and Stormtroopers to build up and permeate the landscape. But Avatar has only been out for a month, and already we have so many thinking they are big blue cat like people living in harmony with nature. Where was all this treehugging 1 month before the release of Avatar, let alone 1 year before it came out? It almost seems like a whole slew of people have been waiting in the shadows for anyone to give them an identity that they can make their own. As was stated above by “Jack’s floating door”, Avatar is a movie brought to you by the man who made Titanic. He is also the man that made the Terminator and helped cement Arnold as a household name. Yet I don’t see any resistance fighters shooting up toasters. Hell, he even brought us Dark Angel and Jessica Alba. Yet we don’t see any Transgenics running around. Why not?

We’ve had a growing green movement for a good while now, yet now a lot of people feel connected to nature cause some big blue cat like people with a speech impediment have hit the screen. Only in an affluent society could this take place.

Citrii said on January 17th, 2010 @8:10 pm  

Alright, before I comment, here’s some information about me.

I AM IN NO WAY, AT ALL, FURRY. AT ALL. 100% Human. I don’t even draw animals for fuck’s sake.

My girlfriend is like a furry-lite, she pretty much only draws furry commissions, and likes drawing furries, while not identifying as one, since she is not a faggot. Anyways, that’s how I heard about this bullshit.

Alright, so this is what you’re putting forward: On December 18, 2009, a story written by James Cameron, was released, and that upon your viewing of the movie the Na’vi inside of you was unleased. You realized that you had always had this creature inside you.
Is this correct? Hope so.

You plan on spending the rest of your life believing that you have always been this way. A completely, entirely fictional character that you heard about only a month ago. A character that wasn’t even played by actors, really, but created on a computer. Would you think it reasonable if I thought I was CJ from GTA San Andreas on the inside? Or only if it’s an animal that I emulate is it okay?

Otherkin are crazy on their own, but at least the animals they believe they are are ANIMALS. Dragons and shit have been around in many cultures, specifically cultures that BELIEVED THEY WERE REAL. Not like Santa Clause, where we KNOW they are not real. You choose to believe in something 100%, completely, inherently fictional and for entertainment purposes only.

“Since you have not encountered any Na’vi in the course of your life you do not know what we as a species are like.”

Neither do you. Show me a picture of you and the Na’vi sharing a Sunday brunch and we can talk.

Somewhere else someone mentioned that Na’vi are inherently not hypocritical?
WHAT.
Do you really think this is a valid argument? So, before December of last year, you could have been hypocritical, but since Avatar was released, you never can be again. Despite the fact that you ARE a human. Regardless of if you think you are Na’vi inside or whatever, you ARE A HUMAN. You do not have sex with something that grows on your head, but with your PENIS/VAGINA.

It’s reasonable for furries to think you’re ridiculous. It has nothing to do with your views towards nature, nor animals. Their hatred stems from your love of FICTIONAL, RECENTLY RELEASED BLOCKBUSTER ANIMALS, and it is further fumed by your continues attempts to defend yourself through Na’vi characteristics or doctrines or something.

Also up there, Shabu or whatever calls herself a Na’vi “Delegate”. And whom do you delegate to? Ambassadors are delegates, and I’ve been a delegate. What is, in fact, your origin? Most likely you were born in some sort of hospital, probably in America. It seems you’re a delegate for the weak minded.

This is just fucking silly. There is no battle for you to fight. Someone who truly believes they are a Hobbit, is not in fact a hobbit. They never have been, never will be, and are surely not ‘on the inside’, because we know who wrote the book about them, the fiction behind them, when it was published, etc. One cannot have an inside Na’vi, because they simply don’t exist.

Email me if you have a problem with this, motherfuckers. Just fucking do it.

There are so many reality checks bouncing here….

Baloo Uriza said on January 20th, 2010 @3:02 pm  

Na’vi are nonjudgemental? The Sky People would beg to differ.

The Na’vi have sex with their tails. James Cameron said so. Not only did he say this, but he said that the dvd version of Avatar will have the full length scene of the creatures having sex with their tails. True story, bros. Look it up on the internet instead of believing some stupid Newgrounds flash.

To Shey’bu

Since the only Na’vi “exposure” you’ve actually had is from a movie made by James Cameron, and everything else outside of that movie is just stuff fans have come up with, then you yourself are in the same boat you claim those you’re arguing with are in. That being, “You are in no position to decide what is Na’vi and what isn’t.”

I like the idea of the Na’vi as well. I like the culture and the core connection to nature, but its an alien race that a science fiction nut came up with. Thats all.

People in the furry fandom come up with new alien races all the time, with in-depth culture, history, and spirituality to match. However, none of these have one particular thing that the Na’vi race does have. Something that sets the noble Na’vi apart from all the others…

HOLLYWOOD

Guys. I must congratulate the “I am a Na’vi on the inside” person. Most successful troll ever. Barely anyone even suggested it was a troll, everyone is treating it seriously. Bravo, troll. You got everyone going. Hahaha.

This is the best shit I’ve read in so long. I haven’t laughed this hard in months.

I liked the movie very much, but does that mean I can start believing I’m a Toruk or a Thanator or a Na’vi on the inside? I could, because those creatures are awesome, but I shouldn’t because I’m not that crazy. It’s starting to turn into fanbdumb. Anyone who believes they are a fictional character from a one month old movie really needs some help. You can have similar beliefs, like protecteing the environment, or believing in a unified Earth through Gaia or Eywa etc. You can believe in reincarnation, that’s fine, you can worship totems or animals, but believing that you are the reincarnation of a blue feline humanoid from a fictional movie that just came out, no, just no. I draw the line at that. Believing you are something you are not is just fooling yourself.

come on people, can’t we just get along? yes, we have our differences, but that at the same time, we are alike in just as many ways, the most importantly of which is that, true, we are all human on the outside, but we all long and want deeply to be something more.
it is this desire that unites us, DEFINES us, makes us who we are, be it an animal, Na’vi, or whatever else.
instead of attacking each other because of what makes us different, we should be embracing each other because of what makes us the SAME.
is that really so hard to see?

What mindfucks are retarded enough to belive this bullshit?
Either he’s nuts, or a damn good troll.

I guess it is time to end the conversation here, as almost every commenter from my prior post on was a troll or at least someone who did not take this issue too serious.

This is all bad news, and you “Na’vi” morons are just setting yourself up for sadness.

It is interesting that there is a whole group of individuals so moved my Cameron’s bowel movement of a movie, that they have to warp their lives around it. Obviously, when Hollywood computer animates something, it must SOMEHOW ACTUALLY EXIST, right? Truly, your ugly human bodies, so bullied by typical society, MUST really be fictional blue hippies on another planet.

GET READY, KIDS, because I am going to tell you to why you should go fuck yourselves.

1.) YOU’RE FOOLING YOURSELVES– You are human. Born human, and you will die a human. I know life is boring– get used to it. You are a human, living a boring human life. If you want to spice up your life, then define yourself by your actions, and don’t pretend you are something you are not, just because a $300billion movie put sparkles in your eyes.

2.) YOU’RE FULL OF YOURSELVES– Someone quotes “elitism.” How elitist is it to suddenly claim yourself as some kind of higher being, elevated in areas of forgiveness and understanding, and somehow less capable of hatred. You are fallible morons just like everyone else.

3.) YOU’RE FULL OF SHIT– If you guys were TRULY Na’vi, you’d get your sorry asses off of your computers, leave your houses, stop eating fast food, stop buying most of the shit you buy, and totally drop everything to live in the woods. Why? Because nearly everything we humans do FUCKS THE ENVIRONMENT! If trees could bitch-slap you, it would do so, because you RAPE NATURE just like the rest of us. Go ahead and TRY to deny it! Thanking your burger for being your food before you eat it will not do you much good, when about 10 pollution-spewing factories made it for you. Go ahead and LIVE by your new fucking life you discovered– I fucking DARE you! You’ll be back in your mom’s house, begging for your bedroom, internet, video games, processed food, electricity, car, etc etc etc before you fucking know it, you self-righteous buffoons.

And before you can take your stupid moral high ground, say you “forgive me for my hateful comments,” and feel all good about yourselves, thinking yourself above everyone here that sees through your bullshit… remember that WE’LL be the ones laughing the day reality backhands you into such a depression, that you gather all your fellow Na’vi under a tree and perform some stupid MASS-SUICIDE ritual, in hopes that the tree will give a shit and transfer your soul into the dangly-blue mary-sue retards you believe yourselves to be.

Your only achievement then will be the sorrow of your relatives that YOU inflicted upon them, because you wanted to live out some stupid fantasy, based on a retardedly overhyped movie.

On the topic of 2, furries bashing fictionkin should listen to this rant by 2 the Ranting Gryphon: http://www.ranting-gryphon.com/Rants/2rant-furry_discrimination.mp3

Take home message: Not all furs or kin are necessarily convinced that they are somehow in a real and objective sense the animals/creatures they are mimicking. For some furs/kin, it is an entertaining way to roleplay, and before you bash it I would consider you check out drama clubs and improv groups for more palatable examples of legitimate roleplaying for entertainment.

I get that a lot of arguments were inspired by someone who seems objectively convinced they are Na’vi in some way. However, some of us are furs/kin because it is fictional and like the new blood of the Na’vi. Why does it matter?

On another note: I am aware that in what I say I end up setting up another value dichotomy this time between serious fur/kin vs. entertainment fur/kin, but you’ll just have to take my word that I mean absolutely no value judgement when speaking about either.

randomchick said on April 10th, 2010 @11:05 pm  

I dont agree with any of the comments on this page, Na’vi spiritualist or not. I believe that Na’vi kin seriously consider themselves as Na’vi spirits in the humam body. So what?

Why bash someone for thinking this, it doesnt matter. As long as they dont think they have the spirit of something murderous why should anyone care?

Na’vi kin arent hurting anyone, arent affecting anyone. The only reason anyone gives a crap is because it isnt “normal”. Who cares, up until a year ago I thought I was a werewolf, I didnt hurt anyone, I just believed that it was true.

I ask all of you non Na’vi kin that bash to ask yourselves “Why do I really hate Na’vi kin?”

I’m a fur, so I know a bit about otherkin. I think the one thing that distinguishes this and other otherkin bashings is that the Na’vi aren’t a primeval animal, they’re a species that was created for the sole purpose of starring in a recent movie. If that movie wasn’t to exist, then no one would consider themselves Na’vi, because Na’vi wouldn’t exist. I wouldn’t bash, I mean, I’m a FURRY, but I think that’s the reason why.

@bloodmuffins: I can identify with a lot of what you’ve said, such as behaving and believing to be an animal when you were a child. I was very, very severely bullied for this exact thing–physically, verbally, mentally/emotionally… it wasn’t a choice, either. I remember sobbing to my mum and proclaiming how much I wanted to be like everybody else, to feel like a human, to BE ‘normal’.

However, I wholeheartedly and fully accept that this is not out of the fact that my spirit belongs to another animal (I don’t believe in spirits).

I do believe, however, in distortion, and escapism. It sounds like a defense mechanism to me.. an example would be me: a child whose parents are emotionally unavailable or dismissive = can’t relate well to other human children and thus gets bullied for it = distances themselves through means of pretending they’re a dinosaur/wolf/cat and engages in fantasy. This Na’vi crap is an extreme version of this.

I still have similar problems today with what I just dscribed. I find it hard to mingle and I find it very hard to understand other people. This is probably not surprising.

I’m not saying you don’t feel different. But what I’m saying is there is probably a logical explanation behind why you are feeling this way, which you might want to address, bringing me to my next point…

For lack of better wording, I would advise anybody who feels the way I have to seek counselling or therapy. Not because they’re necessarily crazy, but because it will help you come to a better understanding about yourself. Better than “I should have been born with a tail and ears,” anyway.

P.S. the thing that pisses me off about the Na’vi-ism is how people use it as a means to big themselvess up to feel more entitled than others, and how shallow it all is. No, you aren’t better than anyone else, just like nobody else is better than you. You need to come to terms with this.